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Sun, 13\/11\/11, Mayank Gupta\u00a0<\/strong>\u00a0wrote:<\/p>

From: Mayank Gupta
Subject: Correction Needed on Your Website
To: \u201cadmin\u201d <admin@gujaratriots.com>
Date: Sunday, 13 November, 2011, 12:56 PM<\/p>

Hi,<\/p>

The Page\u00a0http:\/\/www.gujaratriots.com\/27\/myth-2-muslims-were-%E2%80%98butchered%E2%80%99-in-gujarat\/<\/a>
need couple of corrections.<\/p>

1. On 23 March 2002, 50 Hindu shops were burnt in Ahmedabad\u2019s Revdi
Bazaar that caused a loss of 15 crore rupees.<\/p>

Correction: The article by timesofindia does not mention that 50 shops
burned belonged to Hindus. How did you come to the conclusion?<\/p>

2. They did not allow the police and the Army to search for criminals
in their areas. They pelted the police and even the Army with bullets
and stones, when they arrived to conduct search operations in Muslim
areas.
http:\/\/timesofindia.indiatimes.com\/Cities\/Ahmedabad\/Rioters-torch-50-shops-at-Revdi-Bazaar\/articleshow\/4609603.cms<\/a><\/p>

Correction: The indiatoday article does not say that people pelted
police or army with bullets and stones. Please correct it.
http:\/\/www.indiatoday.com\/itoday\/20020415\/states.shtml<\/a><\/p>

Regards,
Mayank Gupta<\/p>

OUR ANSWER:<\/strong><\/p>

1. On 23 March 2002, 50 Hindu shops were burnt in Ahmedabad\u2019s Revdi Bazaar that caused a loss of 15 crore rupees.<\/p>

Correction: The article by timesofindia does not mention that 50 shops
burned belonged to Hindus. How did you come to the conclusion?<\/p><\/blockquote>

Answer:<\/strong>\u00a0Quoting from that Times of India article\u00a0\u201cLocal residents and shopowners who have suffered heavy losses due to the arson said the situation in Panchkuva had been tense soon after daybreak. \u201csince morning, there were instances of stone-throwing and abortive attacks on local shopkeepers and their residences. Matters turned worse after a mob attack on the Sindhi market was foiled by SRP personnel stationed at the site. the mob then turned its fury on the Revdi Bazaar and started sprinkling acid, oil, petrol and inflammable chemicals on cloth shops. the next thing we knew, our shops were ablaze,\u201d said Balram Thavani, a former BJP corporator and a local shop owner.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0Since Balram Thavani is a Hindu, and his shop was set afire, it is obvious that it was an attack on Hindus.<\/strong>\u00a0Had it been an attack of shops on Muslims, the Times of India would have definitely written \u201c50 shops belonging to minority community were set on fire\u201d. Since it mentions a Hindu shop-owners\u2019 shop being set afire, it is clear that this is an attack on Hindus. (Also, it is a well-established fact that this was a minority mob attacking Hindus, you can ask this to anyone who lives in Ahmedabad\u2019s\u00a0 Revdi Bazaar area).<\/div>
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Also, in another report months later, The Times of India<\/em>\u00a0said,\u00a0\u201cProperty worth almost Rs 5 crore was destroyed in a devastating fire which gutted nearly 60 wholesale cloth stores in the Revdi Bazar area of Ahmedabad at 2.45 am on Tuesday night. Police said the fire was caused by a short-circuit.\u00a0The market had been set on fire during the peak of the riots some months ago.<\/strong>\u00a0Most of the shops belonged to\u00a0Sindhi businessmen<\/strong>\u00a0who have suffered a loss for the second time in recent months\u2026.Gopalbhai Keshwani<\/strong>, the owner of a gutted cloth shop, said, \u201cIll luck seems to be dogging the shopkeepers of Revdi Bazaar. Just three months ago our shops were set on fire by rioters in the Mirgawad area of Revdi Bazaar.\u201d Gulshanbhai R Shabnam, owner of Vijay Laxmi Fabrics, said, \u201cThe upper storey of my shop was packed with brand new sarees and costly fabrics. I don\u2019t how will I rebuild by business from this heap of ash.\u201d\u00a0http:\/\/articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com\/2002-07-31\/ahmedabad\/27303398_1_cloth-shops-fire-tenders-shop-owner
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Since these names are of Hindu shop-owers whose shops were torched by rioters in March 2002- it is clear that these were 50 Hindu shops burnt by Muslims. Also see the word \u201cSindhi businessmen who shops were burnt in March 2002<\/strong>\u201d which clearly shows that they were Hindu shops. Also that Times of India article of March 2002 says\u00a0\u201cMatters turned worse\u00a0after a mob attack on the Sindhi market was foiled by SRP personnel stationed at the site.<\/strong>\u00a0The mob then turned its fury on the Revdi Bazaar and started sprinkling acid, oil, petrol and inflammable chemicals on cloth shops.\u201d\u00a0India Today weekly says in its issue of April 15, 2002\u00a0\u201c\u2026.Next (After 17 March 2002) , the\u00a0Sindhi Market\u00a0<\/strong>and Bhanderi Pole araeas of\u00a0Ahmedabad,\u00a0<\/strong>hitherto calm,\u00a0were attacked by mobs. This phase, really was one of Muslim mobs attacking Hindus.<\/strong>\u201c\u00a0http:\/\/archives.digitaltoday.in\/indiatoday\/20020415\/states.html<\/a>\u00a0This shows that the attack on Sindhi market, which\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0says was done by Muslims, was foiled by the police and after that the mob (i.e. Muslims) attacked Ahmedabad\u2019s Revdi Bazaar, burning Hindu shops.<\/div>
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2. They did not allow the police and the Army to search for criminals in their areas. They pelted the police and even the Army with bullets
and stones, when they arrived to conduct search operations in Muslim areas.
http:\/\/timesofindia.indiatimes.com\/Cities\/Ahmedabad\/Rioters-torch-50-shops-at-Revdi-Bazaar\/articleshow\/4609603.cms<\/a><\/p>

Correction: The India Today article does not say that people pelted
police or army with bullets and stones. Please correct it.
http:\/\/www.indiatoday.com\/itoday\/20020415\/states.shtml<\/a><\/p>

\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>

Answer:<\/strong>\u00a0The\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0weekly report dated 20 May 2002 says-\u201dA series of attacks on policemen by Muslims has further added to the lack of faith. Now, strapped with the anti-Muslim label, the police has been slow in acting against Muslim fanatics\u201d.<\/p>

See the link- http:\/\/archives.digitaltoday.in\/indiatoday\/20020520\/states2.html<\/a><\/div>

This will contain the above sentence in the 6th paragraph from the top.<\/p>

Yes you are right when you say that that\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0article does not say that people (i.e. Muslims) pelted Police or Army with bullets or stones. But it is true. One has to read between the lines and understand what happened. We have not said that\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0says that Police and Army were pelted with stones, we have said that it just says that they cut off power lines and formed human chains to allow Muslims to flee with weapons at night. But even though\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0does not explicitly say so in this article, it happened. In the next article of 20 May 2002,\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0says,\u00a0\u201cA series of attacks by Muslims on policemen has further added to the lack of faith.\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0On 21 April 2002, in Ahmedabad\u2019s Gomtipur area, a police constable (A Hindu- his name was Amar Patil) was killed by Muslims.\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0says this in its issue of 20 May 2002- that a police constable was killed in Gomtipur (Muslim area) on 21 April 2002. In that issue, it also says, \u201cBy nightfall, the death toll had crossed the 940 mark when a group of\u00a0Muslims in Ahmedabad\u2019s Shah Alam area<\/strong>\u00a0drew Hindus out by throwing bombs at their homes in the Maninagar area and then launched a fierce attack with country-made weapons and crude bombs.\u00a0BSF jawans who intervened were fired upon<\/strong>\u00a0before they killed five of the attackers and arrested several with a huge quantity of weapons including a country-made cannon\u2026\u201dhttp:\/\/archives.digitaltoday.in\/indiatoday\/20020520\/states.html
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This shows that Muslims attacked police and also attacked the Army (BSF Jawans) with bullets. Many policemen lost their lives in the Gujarat riots trying to control the violence. The encyclopedia wikipedia reported that as many as 200 policemen gave their lives trying to quell violence in Gujarat though I feel this number is impossible. We have official records revealing that as many as 552 security personnel were injured trying to control the riots- 83 officers, 419 men and 50 Home Guard. The number of security men who gave their lives is not told here in these records. A series of attacks on policemen by Muslims means\u00a0attacks with stones and bullets only.<\/strong>\u00a0Also, it is well-known that there were and maybe still are places in Ahmedabad which are so densely populated by Muslims that even the police didn\u2019t dare to go there- like Juhapura.<\/p>

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From:<\/strong>\u00a0Mayank Gupta
To:<\/strong>\u00a0Gujaratriots.com Admin <gujaratriots2002@yahoo.com>
Sent:<\/strong>\u00a0Monday, 14 November 2011 7:49 AM
Subject:<\/strong>\u00a0Re: Challenge To Gujarat Riots Team
Hi,<\/p>

Thanks for the reply.\u00a0(We had said we would get back to him in 4-5 days, hence he said this). I would like to point out another mistake in the article.<\/p>

The article\u00a0http:\/\/www.india-today.com\/itoday\/20020422\/states.shtml<\/a>
does not mention Police saving over 24,000 Muslims. It only talks about 2,500 Muslims saved in Sanjeli.<\/p><\/blockquote>

OUR ANSWER:<\/strong><\/p>

However, it is not merely this act that is record. Like in Sanjeli, 5,000 Muslims were saved in Bodeli, a town in Vadodara district, from a crowd of over 7,000. The following is another report quoted from\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0dated 8 April 2002:<\/p>

\u201c<\/em>When a Muslim woman was burnt alive by Hindu zealots, (in Viramgam, not far from Ahmedabad) the minorities, who constitute almost 30 % of the 70,000-odd population went on the rampage. Soon, nearly 15,000 Hindus from nearby villages encircled Viramgam and targeted the Muslim localities in the town. It took some deft handling by the police and the Army to save the day.\u201d<\/p>

http:\/\/archives.digitaltoday.in\/indiatoday\/20020408\/states2.html<\/a><\/p>

And in the 22 April issue-\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0says-<\/p>

\u201c\u2026<\/em>Take Sanjeli. In the carnage that ensued after the February 27 Godhra killings, 8,000 armed tribals descended on the town of 8,000 in the tribal heartland of Dahod district. Bows, stones and gunshots rained on the fleeing Muslims, killing 15. Police intervention meant another 2,500 were spared a savage death \u2026 In an identical display of insanity, around 7,000 armed tribals marched into Bodeli town in Chotte-Udepur tribal area of Vadodara district intent on massacring the Muslims who had taken shelter there after being driven out of the neighbouring villages. While hundreds were saved by the police, Vadodara District Collector Bhagyesh Jha and other senior officers were fired upon by tribals as they tried to rescue the trapped Muslims.<\/strong><\/p>

Tragedy was also averted by the police and army at Viramgam town near Ahmedabad where over 15,000 Hindus, mostly armed OBC Thakores, burnt 250 Muslim houses\u2026\u201d<\/p>

http:\/\/www.india-today.com\/itoday\/20020422\/states.shtml<\/a><\/p>

It is mentioned in that article that Muslims were nearly 30% of the 70,000 strong town of Viramgam, i.e. their number there was around 21,000. That is to say, the Gujarat police and the Indian Army together saved thousands of Muslims, of the 21,000-odd of the town. If we assume that there was no police or Army presence, 10,000 Muslims of the town may have been killed.\u00a0 Though\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0does not give the exact number of Muslims saved in Bodeli, merely saying \u201cHundreds were saved\u201d, this writer (i.e. me, Admin of this website) personally met the\u00a0India Today<\/em>\u00a0correspondent and asked him about the number of Muslims who were saved in Bodeli and Viramgam and got the answer \u201cAt least 5000 in Bodeli. Had it not been for the police and the Army, they would have killed 20,000 in Viramgam.\u201d But even assuming the least estimate of 10,000 in Viramgam, 5000 in Bodeli and 2500 in Sanjeli we already get 17,500 Muslims saved.\u00a0<\/strong>It is well-known in Bodeli that 5,000 Muslims were saved by the police.<\/p>

It was also mentioned by the Gujarat Government in an ad given in India Today\u00a0<\/em>weekly dated 6 May 2002 that there were 5000 Muslims saved in Bodeli. Though this number was given by the Gujarat Government itself in an ad, this incident was also independently reported by the weekly and has also been mentioned by the SC-appointed SIT. Hence it is absolutely correct that 5000 were saved in Bodeli, like 2500 in Sanjeli.<\/p>

The website www.indianembassy.org seems to be an official site of the Indian Embassy in USA. It says-<\/p>

\u00a0\u201cIn Mora village of Panchmahal district, SDM, Mamlatdar and police rushed to the spot where the crowd was gathered, dispersed the crowd and\u00a0saved the lives of 400 people by shifting them to a safe place.<\/strong><\/div>
On receipt of information on\u00a0<\/strong>3rd<\/sup>\u00a0March 2002<\/strong>\u00a0a madarsa in\u00a0<\/strong>Asoj, in Vagodia,<\/strong>\u00a0Vadodara district was likely to be attacked, nearly 40 persons including 22 children were evacuated to a safe place.<\/strong><\/div>
On the night of 2\/3 March 2002, in Dahod, the police escorted over 2000 persons belonging to minority community to a safe place, rescuing them from the mob that had gathered from surrounding 28 villages.<\/div>
In Surat city, protection was provided to about 60 persons and mosque in Nana Varacha area.<\/div>
On receipt of information that some women and children were trapped in a mosque, Surat police escorted them to a safe place.<\/div>
On receipt of information that 100 persons were trapped near Rita society opposite Yateem Khana Jain Mandir, the police immediately rushed there and dispersed the mob, but found no persons trapped inside. Surat police immediately provided protection requested for by 12-15 houses of Muslims near Khoja Masjid.\u201d<\/div>
See link:\u00a0http:\/\/www.indianembassy.org\/new\/gujarat_02\/index.htm<\/a><\/div>
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And this is not the complete story! Times of India<\/em>\u00a0also reports in its online edition that police escorted 400 Muslims to safety from Naroda Patiya on 28 Feb night. Since the 17,000 strong- mob was bent on killing 1,000 Muslims in Naroda Patiya, and the final toll (revised after 7 years when all missing were declared dead) was 95- revised from 84, it shows that police saved 900 Muslims in Naroda Patiya.\u00a0In the Ehsan Jafri case as well, close to 200 Muslims were saved by the police, as there were 250 people inside the housing complex and the mob killed 68 (revised toll after all missing were declared dead after 7 years). This despite the fact that the Police were overwhelmingly outnumbered by the mob. Such cases adding up do give us sufficient reason to believe that 24,000 Muslims were saved.<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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